i mean, he understands technology, and he understands the new generation -- this generation's need for graphics and everything. these dvds are very alluring, just graphically, let alone the rhetoric, which becomes almost mesmerizing, in the chant form where he's calling for killings. now, again, he doesn't say will the prime minister of australia, he says, kill the enemies of islam, kill the jews or pigs who have to be killed. the christians are infidels, they have to be killed. he doesn't cross the line in free speech in most countries. australia allows it, we allow it. let's take an example. you're a lawyer. somebody calls for killing the umpire in the first inning, somebody in the ninth inning kills the umpire. can the person in the first inning be held accountable? it takes somebody else to carry out the jihad. accountability here? that's the problem here in a free society. >> but the thing is, there's so much talk about, he's got these chechnyan roots. usually they hate the russians. but this guy seems to have fallen into that small faction, within the chechnyans who they're not s